Talk: Pablo Casals/Archive 1 - Wikipedia. Name move? I just reverted a unilateral move of the article from . Personally I am fine with either title, but please let us have some discussion and consensus first. A note to those suggesting that . However if someone could please quote Casals' OWN WORDS stating he wished to be known as . The people of Catalonia were to be the guardians of that heritage. Which is the name that he puts for the foundation?
Talk:Pablo Casals/Archive 1. Did you visit Pau Casals Foundation located in El Vendrell? I've documented the reason he was known as Pablo Casals in his professional career. He is very expensive, Pau Casals Foundation! The link at this article, in english. Link to the oficial heritage of Pau Casals, the Pau Casals Fundation, in Catalan, English, Spanish and French. Link to the original letter of Pau Casals, signed by Pau Casals. Pau Casals was a fighterof the peace. It always liked him to say Peace, Peace and Peace, and he explained that this was the way of his life to the same as that of his name (his name, Pau, means Peace in catalan) - - Abat sise 1. November 2. 00. 6 (UTC). However, what he said infront of the United Nations will give you a general idea about his point of view: Words of gratitude pronouced by Pau Casals in front of the United Nations Assembly when he was awarded the Medal of Peace on the 2. October of 1. 97. Visit Amazon's Pablo Casals Store. 4.5 out of 5 stars 23 4.5 out of 5 stars 5 star: 83%: 4 star: 4%: 3 star: 4%. I won't discuss the merits of Pablo Casals' version of Bach's Suites for Solo Cello. Peace has always been my greatest concern. Yet in my childhood I learned to love it. Moreover, I am Catalan. Catalonia had the first democratic Parliament much before than England. And it was in my country where there was a beginning of united nations. Although his father, the local church organist, wanted Pablo to. Valuable biographies include Al Kirk's profusely illustrated Pablo Casals.That is why, the United Nations, which work only for the ideal of peace, are in my hearth, because everything relating to peace goes directly there. I am going to play a melody from the Catalonian folklore: The singing of the Birds. Birds, when in the sky, go singing: Peace, peace, peace. And this is a melody that Bach, Beethoven and all great people would have admired and loved. And, in addition, it springs up from the soul of my country: Catalonia. He also says that Catalonia is his county, not Spain. Because of that we can esaly asume that he would like to be called by the Catalan form of Pablo (Pau). You can also see that he was a peace lover and Pau, in Catalan, means . Eg, if no statement in his own words can be found, how did he sign his name, if the letters of the first name are legible? How was he billed when performing in nations other than Spain under Franco? Legal documents- - contracts, passport? Could the editors post here some documents that credited him as Pablo Casals? A letter signed by . It was such a clear thing for me that I couldn't think there would ever be such a discussion. Let's go to the facts. There are two things being discussed here. Casals Catalan vs Spanish, and. Pau vs. Pablo. Let's try to shed some light on these. He was born (and lived for many years) in a state called Spain, so he's Spanish. However, he was born (and grew up) in a region which some centuries ago was independent from the rest of Spain, with some different traditions and culture: Catalonia. So, because of this, he also was Catalan, no doubt of this either. There's a point: obviously not all Spanish people are Catalan, but also not al Catalan people are Spanish, since the historical Catalonia extended e. So, it should always be said that he was Catalan and Spanish. But being isn't the same as feeling. Did Casals felt more Catalan than Spanish? I haven't read his memories, so I am not an authority on that, but from his UN speech it seems he felt Catalan. The quotes in the Pau Casals Foundation website also suggest that: . I think everybody agrees on this: he signed Pau (jpg above), he called his foundation . On the other hand, I can accept he was called Pablo by many people, so I understand the . However, I wouldn't say . I think the disambiguation page should be complete and have both . Pau Casals declares himself Catalan, not Spanish. Catalan and Spanish Wikipedias say . Therefore, I think that the most appropiate name for the article is Pau Casals, and a redirection from Pablo to Pau, not the opposite.- -Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que qu. If it's a Catalan name it should be written the Catalan way and . I recently saw a signed photograph by Casals- - it is clearly signed . I can place a copy of this on line for reference if you have any doubt. In the USA there is absolutely no legal restrictions nor presure against Catalan names; he could have called himself . His recordings from when he was alive in the USA and Latin America are listed as . I am starting to suspect that the campaign to remove any reference to him as . I also note that a google seach with the word . I therefore suggest that . I am therefore leaning towards leaving it . Respectfully, - - Infrogmation 0. February 2. 00. 7 (UTC)Could you post the link with the photograph in which appears the name Pablo? I saw and it was manipulated with a Photoshop or similar. Then with an exhaustive search, I could see the REAL name written by him. The letter is in that address: http: //www. Search by PAU CASALS. After all, this is what made him great. I'm a pianist, and I don't feel qualified even to start such a section, but an article on arguably the greatest cellist of the twentieth century ought to explicate what it was that accounted for his prominence. December 2. 00. 7 (UTC) Allen Roth. His name wasn't Pablo but Pau. His name wasn't Pablo but Pau!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- -8. May 2. 00. 8 (UTC)Read the previous discussions about it and The Wikipedia naming conventions. His Catalan name is Pau, but he's known in English as Pablo. If you have sources (per the naming conventions) that prove that he should be named Pau here, please present them. Aharoni (talk) 1. May 2. 00. 8 (UTC)- - I'm from El Vendrell, Pau Casals' hometown and resting place. Everybody here, as well in all Catalonia, call him Pau Casals. It's obvious for me that he was officially spanish, but he was also catalan, and I'm sure (read his speech at UN) he felt his nation was Catalonia. It's also obvious his name was Pau Casals. Franco forbid using catalan names, and that was one of the things Pau fought the most. I will go to the graveyard to take and upload a photo of his tomb, where you can read . Also here there is the house where hi born, the house where hi lived, mouseums.. Everywhere he is called Pau Casals. Neutral politics have nothing to do with this. The fact that we (catalans) feel bad about this doesn't mean it's not true. So please respect the conventions of polite debate. And sign your contributions. Not only do I defend, politely, the right to use . All other references, recordings, etc., that I have use the name Pablo. As has been mentioned here, he had plenty of opportunity, living outside Spain, to choose the name by which he wanted to be known, and the evidence points to the name Pablo. As Infrogmation repeatedly states, if there is referenced evidence to the contrary, please post it here. It is perfectly clear that the English language edition of Wikipedia needs to use the English- language version of somebody. If relevant, and referenced, there is plenty of space in the body of the article to include other versions, including foreign- language spellings, etc. Just so that what I mean is perfectly clear to everyone, a person born in China, for example, would have his or her name here at the English- language edition of Wikipedia in English or nearest equivalent. In the English- speaking world, Casals was known as Pablo. In his Catalunya natal, he is/was known as Pau. But just to check, I took up the suggestion of one of the most aggressive contributors to this discussion page - and wishing to be neutral, chose only the surname - and Googled the following at 1. Spanish time) today: Casals AND United Nations http: //www. AND+United+Nations& ie=utf- 8& oe=utf- 8& aq=t& rls=org. ES: official& client=firefox- a. Sorry again, but I'm unable to see the name Pablo? Though many songs have been written about the United Nations or on related themes, there is no official anthem or hymn for the Organization. One such song, or hymn, was written and performed at the United Nations on 2. October 1. 97. 1, on the occasion of the 2. United Nations, by Maestro Pablo Casals of Spain. The words were written by poet W. H. Auden of the United Kingdom. The two, though they had never met, were brought together in this unusual collaboration by then United Nations Secretary- General U Thant. For centuries, poets and musicians have sung in praise of war and celebrated victories in battles. U Thant was intrigued by the fact that there existed no hymn to peace. Pablo Casals was a personal friend of his, and when approached by U Thant, he readily agreed to write the music. As the Secretary- General explained, the song was to be based on the preamble to the Charter of the United Nations. Although it would not be formally adopted as the official anthem of the United Nations, U Thant hoped it would be performed on appropriate occasions. While Casals greatly liked the ideas contained in the preamble, there was no way he could put music to such a document. The task to write an appropriate poem, based on the theme of peace and ideals enshrined in the preamble, fell on W. H. Auden, then regarded as the greatest living English poet. When a representative of the Secretary- General approached the poet, he immediately agreed to write the poem. On 2. 4 October 1. Orchestra of the Festival Casals, with the Maestro himself as conductor, presented the hymn in a premi. A Hymn to the UN Music: Pablo Casals Words: W. H. Auden(There follows the lyrics to the anthem)This fact sheet has been issued by the Public Inquiries Unit, Department of Public Information, United Nations. The 3rd page to appear is an English- language blog, called . If he did, it should be noted in the bio section and if he didn't then categories such as . Please provide sources. Statemens without reputable and verifiable sources are worth nothing here. If there is no information the categories should be removed, he was only catalan. PS: Moved to Pau because of the talk section efore.- -Ssola (talk) 1.
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